As we celebrate Member Recognition Round ruckman Callum Sinclair has special guest John Payne in this week's episode of Conversations with Cal.

In the latest podcast Sinclair sits down with long time team manager and Sydney Swans life member John Payne to reflect on his 20 years involved with the Club.

Payne reflects upon the many superstar players he has dealt with over the journey and some stories never heard before from chaperoning players all around Australia and the world.

Listen to the latest podcast below.